On Homosexuals
I have always wondered if homosexuals are born as such, or if through life experiences and choice… they become gay. Perhaps, both? I do not know, but I would like to share with you my view on the subject. It has been known throughout centuries that homosexuals have always been around, maybe since the beginning of man. Boy lovers in ancient Athens ran rampant, even Socrates himself was accused of being homosexual and was charged for perverting youths. Heck, homosexual behavior has been observed in several mammals, primates being no exception. Some of those chimps really go at it! Male to male attraction or female to female attraction has always perplexed me. We were designed by God (or evolution, depending your taste) to be a plug (man) and socket (female) combination. Anatomically, you have no need to look any further, men are designed for women and vice-versa, it isn’t as complicated as the Dirac Equation or Lev Landau’s superfluidity work (don’t ask)! Structurally, our sex organs and reproductive systems guarantee the propagation of the human race only in a male-to-female pairing. This is, to me, how nature always intended it. When push comes to shove, be it a successful life or a mediocre one, the one thing we share with most other humans is the ability to reproduce and to leave progeny on earth. Of course, it is not always this way but that is usually how it is and the main idea… wether we realize it or not is irrelevant. We just fuse DNA (egg+sperm) and out comes the next generation.
If we analyze a male-to-male pairing or a female-to-female pairing, we would arrive to the conclusion that these combinations do not function in the reproduction, propagation, and survival of the human species. It sounds harsh, but a two plug combination or a two socket combination… is not what nature intended. If all the peoples of the world became homosexual, our species would be in big trouble. There is a possibility that we would cease to exist, or reproduction would become a “burden”. Just to be clear, I am not implying that homosexuals contribute nothing to humanity. There are many great people with great hearts and charisma, who help and contribute to society in countless ways. I do believe everyone is entitled to live life as they want, personal lives are private and to each his own. Most of the time, I care not for how people decide to live, as long as they do not affect or interfere in my own life.
However, one can always be curious as to why people adopt a homosexual lifestyle. Perhaps, a gene sequence in people’s genome is faulty, implying a genetic disease. It is a possibility that we cannot rule out and it kind of makes sense, especially with cases when the child exhibits homosexual characteristics from early on. There is a lot of controversy regarding this theory as correlated twin studies (one twin being homo and the other hetero) discredit this approach. Still, I believe that even twin DNA can vary ever so slightly, expressing different genes. We still have so much to learn about our 3 billion base pairs in our DNA, full of genes and “junk”. Another approach to answer why people adopt a homosexual lifestyle involves choice. It is a much easier concept, people of the same sex find each other attractive and choose to be together. Maybe they were not ‘born’ gay but they, at some point in their lives, feel an inexorable attraction to the same sex. Sexual activity between said individuals only adds to their attraction and feeling of love. For instance, a male gay couple will get addicted to stimulation of their prostate and so on. We all can get addicted to some sort of physical stimulation but in my view, as a man, nothing can replace the pleasure a woman can give you. Most men (and women) out there will agree with me, but not gay couples, and that is understandable. Lesbians, I regard in a different light, this being so because no man can truly understand the female anatomy as well as another woman. Lately, the world has become more liberal and the gay community has risen to get things like gay marriage laws to be passed. I know I said that everyone is entitled to whatever life they want, but I am divided on this issue. If all the states allow gay marriage, it would fuel an upsurge and many will come out of the closet… gay numbers may increase. This is just one scenario, mind you, I am no expert on such things. Gay people on the same terms as heterosexual couples is not something I agree in, to tell you the truth. Moreover, in the decades to come, if more and more gay couples are seen in public holding hands and/or kissing, what are little children to think? Would they assume that homosexual behavior is normal? Would those children be inclined to follow such lifestyle if they see it all over? We function on a monkey-see/monkey-do basis much of the time, and I can almost be sure that precisely that will happen. In the end, it is a deviation from our intended design, giving over to physical lust. Allowing gay couples to adopt is also something I do not agree with, but that is just me. I know there are gay couples with great honesty and integrity that should be able to adopt, but as it is in this world, some ruin it for the rest. Mine is only but a mere view on such topic. What do you guys think on these topics?
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Kevin
no one said that sex is a bad thing but it makes it bad when one has multiple partners. God created marriage for one man and one women to have as your partner for the rest of your life, and in doing so having the same mate for the rest of your life will keep you away from sicknesses and a man and a women would be able to have children and make a family together. In this way it is instructed by our lord to do so and that is what makes it the right thing to do. I do not know you and I am not sure if you have gotten sick your self yet or not but to tell you the truth, if you did not get sick it would be best for you to find a clean mate which of course I would recommended of the opposite sex to live the rest of your life with. I all ways wanted my own kids my own flesh and blood, and if God gave me the the opportunity to do so which he did, I took that opportunity to the fullest. Why would I want to find the same sex as me and not be able to experience having my own children of my own blood and my own flesh, it would never be the same other wise.
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Amen sum.
Kevin, have you ever thought about asking Jesus to come in to your heart and your life?
July 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Kevin
Every child should have parents to teach them from wrong and right. God is my father and he raises me to the fullest truth of life. You can not find God in a certain place because he is every where waiting for you to turn to him for guidance. If it was ent for God I would not know who I am and why I am hear. The first thing that I would try to do is look in all places whether it is good or bad but I would be lost and I would not know what the truth is and so I would Go threw things like bad friends, drugs and even pick the opposite sex, why? because I would not have the right instructions in my life to show me the way and the truth of life. Do you know who Jesus is? Jesus came into this world 2010 years ago. He gave up his life for all the sinners, the murderers the lyers, the steelers and so on, so that we would all have the opportunity to make a mistake and be able to ask for forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus died on a cross for you and for me. Jesus was seen all over after his death and he is alive today waiting patiently for all man kind to get their acts together. Who do you know Kevin that would love you so much that they would die for you? Who do you know that is an all might God that would die for men. Did you know that some dezeses like Hiv and others are consequence’s of ones own actions?
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
No, Kevin a monkey-rabbit hybrid is not unnatural because its unusual, it is unnatural because it cannot occur by natural principles.
But a semantic discussion of the definition is only going to take us through a never ending loop.
You were only referring to HIV, fair enough. But I was not, I was stating the fact that the risk of STD AND HIV is significantly higher within homosexual intercourse – and that is true.
Here’s what I don’t understand – you do believe in God, but you don’t believe in following the guidelines God set forth in the Bible?
The Bible is not guidelines set forth in our lifetime, it was set forth thousands of years ago, and supernaturally preserved to our time.
Have you read the Bible, Kevin?
Exactly what God do you believe in?
By saying you believe in God, but refusing to obey the guidelines God set forth, aren’t you creating your own version of God?
Isn’t that idolatry?
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
In reference to your closing statements…
Yes, God is real, and God is love, and God goes beyond our human comprehension of love into the very fabric of existence. Realize that there is Progress, quite literally the power of God, in our universe. We are not confined to the limits established in our lifetime.
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 am
You’ve defined Natural, by referencing nature, but you have yet to provide a definition for nature.
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The virus I was referring to was the Human immunodeficiency virus.
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The problem with your unnatural is that it is in fact natural, and that your natural is in fact unnatural. Let’s take your example of the monkey-rabbit hybrid, is it unnatural because it is strange? How about a two headed turtle produced by nature? or the common banana? are those all unnatural?
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It seems to me that your standard of what is natural is what your mind has already established an natural, or possibly what some supposed supernatural deity has classified as natural. In which case the standards of your possible deity are unnatural, as they are not of this universe.
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Nature is in a constant flux, and as beings of intelligence we must choose which changes are right, as you already have through acceptance of technology. To reject change is to reject nature.
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Nature is not a set standard, not an ethical code in by which things are judged. The winds don’t guide my direction. Disaster does not differentiate between the ethical and non ethical. Nor does surrounding peace dictate the feelings and desires of the soul.
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It seems that my discussion with Colin has come to a close. I would gladly be willing to continue this conversation with anyone who feels something was left out.
July 22nd, 2010 at 8:38 pm
“Isn’t it interesting that those least likely to contract the virus are Lesbians?”
I don’t know where you came up with that??
Lesbians show similar patterns of high venereal disease incidence relative to the general population. They are 19 times more likely to have had syphilis, twice as likely to have had genital warts, four times as likely to have had scabies, seven times more likely to have had infection from vaginal contact, 29 times more likely to have had oral infection from vaginal contact and 12 times more likely to have had an oral infection from penile contact (”Medical Aspects of Homosexuality,” Institute for the Scientific Investigation of Sexuality, 1985, Jaffe and Keewhan, et al.; quoted in “Homosexuality and Civil Rights,” Tony Marco, 1992).
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on what we call “natural”, a test-tube baby conceived in a lab is no more natural (in my view) than a mutant monkey-rabbit hybrid created by a genetic engineer. Monkey-rabbits do not exist in nature, they are man-made. A Ford Mustang is man-made, not natural.
Oscar also makes a very good point about infertile women not having a choice.
By choosing to be with someone of the same sex, one willingly eliminates all possibility of natural conception.
Natural: in accordance with nature; relating to or concerning nature; “a very natural development” (such as a duck laying eggs); “our natural environment”; “natural science”; “natural resources”; “natural cliffs”; “natural phenomena”
(as with the joining and union of a sperm and egg – natural principles).
un natural: not based on natural principles.
(as with a scientist manipulating genes to create a baby in a test tube).
So, as I mentioned, we may just have to agree to disagree on our perceptions of “natural”. I too hope that you are not soured in any way.
I would accept and love you as a person, Kevin; I would just reject any choices you would make to engage in same-sex intercourse. I love the person, I hate the act.
I would like to tell you something, Kevin – God is real. And God loves you.
Boy would I love to tell you more about His love for you, but for now I’ll leave it at that.
July 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm
A larger part of the world didn’t believe in many things, it was the people who push and moved beyond the boundaries, that made a difference for the better in this world.
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I urge you to seek your limits, and let your opinions grow. Do not sit passively by letting others go if you feel you have certain truths. Have arguments, make mistakes.
July 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 pm
What is the definition of Natural?
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Natural – pertaining to nature.
Nature – the universe, with all its phenomena.
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To claim that something is unnatural, is to claim that it is not of this universe.
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Are you claiming that procreation through the scientific method is unnatural, and thus not of this universe?
July 22nd, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Things get a little blurred with what we perceive as reality; we all see the world a little differently and life experiences mold us in a particular way to desire different things.
In our mind, we often think we are within reason and our viewpoint surely can’t be wrong… can it? I often catch myself at such paradoxes, how can we always distinguish right from wrong? Simply believing that you are “right” with all your heart doesn’t mean one’s view is correct. This is a touchy topic but when I run into such situations, I tend to incline towards majority rules. The larger part of the world’s population surely cannot be wrong on their position regarding homosexuality.
As previously stated, from a scientific standpoint and a religious standpoint, homosexuality is not the way to go, it doesn’t make sense. Society is decadent enough as it is already, and we shouldn’t move too far from the norms. Colin is correct in that it is succumbing to pure carnal pleasure, with no chance to procreate. Wether you are a Bill Gates or a tire changer at DIscount Tire, the reason we are here IS to procreate and assure the perpetuation of the human species.
Kevin, you touch the subject that when we encounter barriers, we must move beyond them:
“It is simply a byproduct of choosing someone in which there are boundaries in the ways you can procreate. In the same way a man chooses to marry an infertile wife, or vise-versa. The next step is to overcome those boundaries.”
Infertile women typically come about due to a natural condition or disease. They don’t have a choice, whereas homosexuals have a choice, and the choice they make is going towards the boundary. Choice is our most precious gift. Some people don’t have a choice. If we go against what nature intended, then where would we end up? Is artificial everything the way to go?
Personally, in my opinion (and this is just an opinion), the world cannot afford becoming gay. But, all I can say to you is to live life in the way it makes you happy, and don’t sour yourself in any way if people don’t agree with your perception. Good day.
July 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 pm
“I merely asked you a question – are babies conceived in a lab instead of in a womb what you would consider “natural””
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As natural as say, ducks that lay eggs? Yes, I do consider that natural. Whether a couple would like to have their child born within an artificial womb or not does not seem like a moral ultimatum. It is a reality that our future will see these technologies. Childbearing is a painful, risky, and sometimes life threatening process.
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What is Natural is determined not only by everything around us, but also by our inner wants and desires. Whether you deem those Natural desires morally right or wrong is up to scrutiny by your ethical code. I don’t see how a monogamous Homosexual relationship is morally wrong.
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I’m sorry I misquoted you, It wasn’t very polite. However, The point of the quote was to demonstrate not all married couples are perfect, and that statement can apply to any married couple, homosexual or not. It’s a bit unfair just to single out homosexuals, just because they’re mistakes sometimes cost them their lives. It’s a bit poetic in a twisted sort of way, the wicked are punished while the pure remain.
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The fact is, if we were looking for disease prevention, there would be no sex at all. Isn’t it interesting that those least likely to contract the virus are Lesbians?
July 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
“For starters, “gay marriage”, or what some would call a “monogomous relationship”, is seldom monogomous in any sense of the word, for the majority of those in the gay community (I know, several acquaintences and friends of mine are). They claim they are committed to eachother only, but there are usually (not always, but in most cases), several other people coming in and out of the relationship, sharing sexual experiences with the couple.”
“I think statements like these are a bit unfair don’t you think?”
Well, no Kevin I don’t think statements like these are unfair. What I do think is unfair is that you cut out the rest of my comment – why?
It is a proven fact that the risk of spreading sexually transmitted disease is higher within homosexual (particularly male-male) intercourse.
“What this leads to is an extremely high concentration of those infected with STD’s and HIV/AIDS within the gay community. In fact, something like 85 – 90 % of all HIV and AIDS cases within the U.S.A. are from within the gay community. Of course, though, these are things you will not hear from the majority of gay activists and mainstream media.”
July 22nd, 2010 at 7:24 pm
“This is where you assume that Humanities[or sexualities ] only purpose is to procreate.”
No, that is not my assumption. If a man wants to be with a man – go for it, I won’t stop him. All I stated was that by making such a choice – natural procreation becomes impossible.
“It is simply a byproduct of choosing someone in which there are boundaries in the ways you can procreate. In the same way a man chooses to marry an infertile wife, or vise-versa. The next step is to overcome those boundaries.”
No, there’s a difference. There are conception methods which allow wife who is infertile to still conceive and carry a baby in her own womb. A sterile husband could still have his wife carry his child in her woman.
A test-tube baby grows is conceived in a lab. See the difference?
And once again my assumption was not that natural was the way to go, I merely asked you a question – are babies conceived in a lab instead of in a womb what you would consider “natural”?
July 22nd, 2010 at 7:08 pm
“For starters, “gay marriage”, or what some would call a “monogomous relationship”, is seldom monogomous in any sense of the word, for the majority of those in the gay community (I know, several acquaintences and friends of mine are). They claim they are committed to eachother only, but there are usually (not always, but in most cases), several other people coming in and out of the relationship, sharing sexual experiences with the couple.”
I think statements like these are a bit unfair don’t you think? Let’s modify it a bit…
For starters, “Marriage”, or what some would call a “monogomous relationship”, is seldom monogomous in any sense of the word, for the majority of those in the community (I know, several acquaintences and friends of mine who are married). They claim they are committed to each other only, but there are usually (not always, but in most cases), several other people coming in and out of the relationship, sharing sexual experiences with the couple.
I think this is the majority of the world, It’s called cheating, it happens.
July 22nd, 2010 at 6:58 pm
“This is where I get confused. By choosing homosexuality, they are indeed deciding their own destiny – a destiny without offspring (at least no offspring in any natural way).
Therefore what they ARE following by such a choice IS nothing more than “there innate carnal desires,”. Sex without the possibility of procreation serves nothing except their own carnal desires, because at it’s base it is just about carnal pleasure.”
This is where you assume that Humanities[or sexualities ] only purpose is to procreate. Regardless, a destiny without offspring is not what the homosexual relationship seeks. It is simply a byproduct of choosing someone in which there are boundaries in the ways you can procreate. In the same way a man chooses to marry an infertile wife, or vise-versa. The next step is to overcome those boundaries.
If you assume that natural is the only way to go, then conversations such as these would be very troublesome, as some would consider it witchcraft to read another thoughts through a light slate.
I am personally bisexual. I could careless if your male or female, what’s important to me is that you inspire me to be better. In fact, I would even choose a relationship without sex if I truly believe that such a person was the one.
I am, by no means, against heterosexual relationships.
July 22nd, 2010 at 5:57 pm
I also am confused by this, Kevin:
“I believe that homosexuality demonstrates the ability of intelligent life to chose their partner in life…”
OK, I’m with you so far, but for the record heterosexuality also demonstrates the same thing.
“…and to decide their own destiny instead of following there innate carnal desires, or what you call “Nature”.”
This is where I get confused. By choosing homosexuality, they are indeed deciding their own destiny – a destiny without offspring (at least no offspring in any natural way).
Therefore what they ARE following by such a choice IS nothing more than “there innate carnal desires,”. Sex without the possibility of procreation serves nothing except their own carnal desires, because at it’s base it is just about carnal pleasure.
But scientists can develop technology which creates test tube babies for them – and is that what you call “natural”?
Would you be so kind as to clarify these things that are confusing about your logic?
July 22nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Kevin, I’m a little confused by your comment:
“technology would be developed as it already is developing, in order for female couples and male couples to fuse their genetic codes in order to pass on their chosen mates genes.”
So, in essence – test tube babies created in a lab.
Is that what you call “natural”??
July 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Kevin
God created a man and a women named Adam and eve, and you see a man and a women make children and the children need a father figure and the gentle touch of a mother figure. when I think of two men being together, right away I feel bad for a boy that they would adopt because they are interested in boys and that boy could easily get abused by the two fathers. I think that two women together is also disgusting because they both do not even have the right tools to mate. Any ways, I am not sure how you feel about God or if you know his true existence that he is alive today and he instructed us that is was a sin to be gay and even in the times of the bible is tell us true history facts that these types of acts are a wrong doings. You know that technology today is everywhere and our sinful manly thinking is going to create sinful technology to make us even more sinful then ever. There is a lot of things that man created and it dose not make it right. Cigarettes are being sold today to kill us, dose that make it right for us to buy? No it is harm full and can lead us to our own death beads.
July 21st, 2010 at 1:12 pm
I believe that homosexuality demonstrates the ability of intelligent life to chose their partner in life and to decide their own destiny instead of following there innate carnal desires, or what you call “Nature”.
If everyone in the world where Homosexual, I can assure you, most people will want to raise children. Everyone has had parents, most will want to be parents, and for those who don’t want children it would be better off if they didn’t have them, wouldn’t you think?
At it’s early stages male couples would have to seek female couples in order to create a child. Later on, technology would be developed as it already is developing, in order for female couples and male couples to fuse their genetic codes in order to pass on their chosen mates genes.
Things progress, and change. Just because a cut induces pain, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t perform surgery. It just means we have to find the technology and the means, such as an anesthesiologist, to perform the task.
June 14th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I agree with you Colin.
It is just so scary to think about your own child and to see how corrupt this world is. The most I can do or any one can do is to raise the children with God and help them see that this is not a normal thing to do.
May 28th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
I apologize for not responding to these comments sooner. I don’t think I was 100% clear in my earlier comments, so I would like to clarify my viewpoint:
Even science has no evidence to support that people are born gay. Science has determined that some have a “predisposition” to become gay, but predispositions are just that – predispositions. It is not a destiny written in stone.
Now, this scientific discovery actually backs up what the Bible has to say on this topic – No person is born gay, but every person is born with a sinful nature.
God created Adam perfect. But the fall of man by Adam and Eve’s sin in the Garden killed that.
Since then, every human being is born spiritually dead – dead in trespasses and sin, that’s the condition of all of us when we are born. We are born in sin, and every one of us has an evil nature, there’s no sense in trying to deny it.
And, just as every person has a different set of fingerprints, we also have a different moral nature. All of us has our own peculiarities. Therefore, one person is tempted to abuse the drink, another may be tempted to overeat, another person is tempted with homosexual activity, another person is tempted to tell lies, another one to steal.
“But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.”(James 1:14)
The solicitation to sin must have a corresponding response from within. The outside influence itself cannot make a person sin. God never forces anyone to submit to His will, He only tries to win people over with His love. But evil is attractive to our sinful natures. The hook can be baited, and before long a man or woman is given over completely to their own lusts. I mean, let’s be honest here – having sex, not just with no intention to conceive, but even with no possible way to conceive, is nothing more than lust.
God’s not responsible for that. If that man or woman wonders how they got that way, they only need to look in the mirror and remember that God gave mankind free will.
The environment they are in plays a factor, but it is not the only factor.
“Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.”(James 1:15)
When the desire of the soul, having conceived, gives birth to sin; and the sin, having been completed, brings forth death. This is a tremendous statement, and I think will drive home the clarification I’m looking for. See, conception is the joining and union of 2. And in this respect, it is the desire of this old nature of ours joined to the outward temptation that is there. It begins in the heart and moves out to the action.
Frank Medina, I do feel empathy for your situation and for this young child you have described. All I can say is do your best to fill his mind with the knowledge of our Messiah, fill his heart with the love of Jesus, plant the root of faith in the Living Christ, and leave the rest in God’s hands through your prayers for this boy.
In conclusion “On Homosexuals”, my viewpoint is that no person is born gay, not just because such a view would place the blame on God, but also because there has not been any scientific evidence to support that. But every person is born with a sinful nature, so it’s not surprising that many are drawn away.
April 4th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
When Jesus was around there was crippled and blind people as well that is the sad part about life, the devil is here to. I understand what you are saying, that there is just some things we can not understand but still that is the Lords command. For those that are born with two things they can probably pick the gender that they are most closest to and I am sure the Lord will hear them if they are believers of Christ.
April 4th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Colin,
I agree with you in the fact that God created man perfect (we were created at his image).
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However, we can’t deny that some persons are born with big limitations.
I know cases were there were babies born without a brain (Anencephaly), others without genitalia and others with both sex gonads(hermaphrodites). These facts do not invalidate the first statement.
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I am not generalizing that all gays are born gays, but I doubt that it is only the environment what plays a role in their lives.
The same way that there are persons born with both sexes, male and female there are persons that were born without have being developed a mature sex definition. Hence the deviation from their anatomical sex.
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Human psyque is to much complicated to be confined only in the box of role models or the lack of encouragement toward certain behavior.
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I do not mean to pontiff about this subject, I’m not an expert, but I think that we need to keep an open mind and heart toward this individuals. Not to condone but to understand the way to approach to help them.
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April 3rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Frank Medina,
I also do not agree with the scientists who say a person is born gay. As sum mentioned, it is more often a product of their environment. Every one of us has an evil nature, and to have that curiosity is a natural thing. But this is where the environment comes in to play – if a young boy does not have a strong male role model to look up to, no strong father figure in his life, then he can tend to drift more into it. But it is not that he was born homosexual, it’s just that he did not have an example of what he should grow up into (or if he had a bad example, he may feel he does not want to fill up “the man’s shoes”, because he is worried if he does, he may hurt a woman of something of that nature). That’s why it is the responsibility of a dad to model Christ for his children, and to give them an example of what a man and a woman should be like together.
Let me give you an example of why I cannot accept that people are born gay.
An older friend of mine from church has been happily married to his wife for over 12 years. But before that, he was an active homosexual – active in the gay community for 10 years. He got into it because of a similar situation to what I described above – his dad was abusive to his mother, and he didn’t want to grow into a man, because the example he had growing up of what a man is was something that scared him, something that he did not want to be.
When he came to know Christ, he thought briefly that he would be a gay Christian. But he quickly gave that notion up when he read Romans chapter 1. Paul makes it pretty clear in Romans 1 that in the past, certain people were given over to a depraved mind to pursue homosexual pleasures. But the reason they were given over to a depraved mind was because they “exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the creator.” That Scripture made him realize that God has no part in same-sex relations whatsoever. Because he saw that he was following his own will, and not synchronizing his will with God’s will, he gave up the lifestyle (and my friend is just one of thousands in this category of former homosexuals). He began to pray for God’s will in his life. Within a few months, he met his future wife, who he has now been married to for over 12 years, and he has never returned nor had any desire to return to the lifestyle.
But, if it’s something that people are born with, then this would make no sense. I don’t know any “former” black people or “former” hispanics, do you?
April 3rd, 2010 at 1:56 pm
God created us and believe me because of Adam and eve sinning, we all are sinners. God instructed a man and a women only and he is not happy with home of sexual s. It is important to have a mother and a father for a good example to be raised, I agree with you completely but what I do not agree with is scientist, they are wrong most of the time they are not right about everything especially the way the world started. I really do feel bad about the child you are telling me about I just believe that it is never to late to show the bible to the child and ex plane to him that sometimes it is natural to want to like guys and girls but it is not the right thing to do. God will not allow home of sexual s in heaven and I would be lying if God did not right it in the book of life but it is true. You can not just believe in God but not read what he is instructing us to do. I know a lot of people that I believe are sinning everyday but I can not say that they will make it to heaven or feel sad for them that I am encouraging that type of behaviour.
April 2nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
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I differ with you in your comment that states that “Gays are not born that way, they are just confused and they were not raised to have family morals, some one to tell them the truth, and so they look for ways that are not optional and moral.”
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Let me explain why I don’t agree with you in this comment:
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I have a nephew that I know since he was a newborn and I have been witnessing his development toward becoming gay. Since his early years, he always preferred to play with dolls and “female” toys and lately he has been showing a lot of feminine characteristics.
Although his mother, who is a highly moral, intelligent and educated woman, has been trying to “correct” his behavioral deviation from what we consider morally correct, hasn’t been successful in her endeavor.
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Some behavioral scientists consider homosexuality and lesbianism a natural and normal conduct that very often happens in other levels of the animal world. Some cultures in the past and nowadays even consider these disturbing behavior as part of their cultural baggage and inheritance. For instance, the ancient Greeks, the people in India and even in the “machista” México, in the state of Oaxaca, there is a region where having a gay in the family is consider a blessing for the parents. They are called “muxes” (moohees).
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Under the Jewish-Christian point of view or set of moral rules, homosexuality is a deviation from God’s commandments, a condemnable sin and an stigma that follows them keeping them as pariahs without access to be part of any orthodox Christian congregation.
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I am not justifying their behavior, but to me, an homosexual or a lesbian is not worst than an adulterer, a child molester, a thief or a fornicator.
We need to treat them with Christian love in order to have access to their consciences and infill them with God’s love and make them understand that if they want to be saved, they need to change even against their nature.
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I am against allowing them to adopt children though, not because I think they are not capable of being even better fathers than normal couples, but because they would be roll models for their children, creating consequently the perception for their kids that what they do is completely normal and even encouraging them to do the same.
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Therefore, we need to encourage them to read the Bible and listen to the word of God in order to be saved.
Let them understand that even though their moral behavior could be tolerated or even accepted under the perception of our liberal and “progressive” society, it has not a place in God’s plan for humanity.
March 25th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
A lot of people support gay marriages but then when you ask them if they would like to see their boy with another boy they begin to think other wise. The reason why I do not support gays or lesbians, not only because it is wrong in the eyes of God but I would never want my children to be gay or bi. I was raised watching a beautiful princess looking for her prince. Gays are not born that way, they are just confused and they were not raised to have family morals, some one to tell them the truth, and so they look for ways that are not optional and moral. It takes a man and a women to make a baby and that is how you make a family, but when a person is sleeping around with the same sex or a different sex they are just looking for selfish ways to please their self and not what was intended for a man and a women.
March 17th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
La Luz del Mundo Church publicly rejects homosexuality, because it is biblically a sin, although Jesus Christ never mentioned explicitly, it is implied in the biggest command, and his apostles strongly condemned the practice of it.
However, LLDM and it’s apostle, tolerates and even practices homosexuality in an undercover way (It’s of public knowledge in Guadalajara that Samuel Joaquín had homosexual relations with Moises Padilla, the little brother of one of his closest aides). Hence the condescend behavior toward ministers that have been practicing it (everybody knows about it, but nobody says nothing against) in a “don’t ask, don’t tell” like policy.
I have knowledge of Samuel’s aides homosexual practices that he knew about, and instead of reprimand and punish them for their condemnable behavior, he (SJF) put them in charge of the youth. This practice is more notorious with the female sex.
So, it is not to my surprise that these practices continue within the high levels of LLDM hierarchy, no matter what they officially say, they do the opposite.
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am
Colin,
That is incredible! After voting on the issue twice, and winning by a landslide, those politicians keep putting it on the ballot?!
I was unaware of all this going on in California, but I am now speechless…
I like how you put that you hate the sin not the sinner, I agree with you in totality. I try to be more politically correct regarding this topic, but lately I have become less tolerant. Take for instance, the military… is it okay to have rainbow flags along with USA flags on our tanks in Afghanistan and Iraq?! Should homosexuals be allowed in our armed forces?!
That requires another blog… =/
February 18th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
The homosexual community, and supporting politicians at large are subtly imposing their will on the public in many ways. I’m certain that everyone is familiar with Proposition 8 which was on the California ballot in 2008. But did you know the rest of the story?
It started way back in 2002, when there was another proposition on the ballot seeking to legalize gay marriage in California. Overwhelmingly, the people of California voted down the proposition in a landslide, 62% – 38% in favor of traditional marriage (Marriage defined as only between a man and a woman).
California offers homosexual couples what is called a “domestic partnership”. In a domestic partnership, couples are entitled to tax benefits, property and real estate discounts; every single benefit that is extended to a husband and wife, are also extended to homosexual couples under domestic partnerships. The only difference – it is not called a “marriage”, it is called a “domestic partnership.” It can be done at the courthouse, but most churches will not perform a domestic partnership, but the only significant difference is the title.
There must be some who feel that title means a great deal more than the benefits, because late in 2007 or early 2008 (I can’t remember), 5 judges on the CA state supreme court in San Francisco decided the vote of 2002, (in which over 60% of California voters voted to protect traditional marriage between a man and a woman), was unconstitutional. Ironically, which would you say is more unconstitutional? The citizens deciding for themselves what they want, or 5 elite politicians deciding for the majority of the citizens what they want?
Talk about imposing your will, just like that, at the whim of 5 politicians and without a popular vote, gay marriage became legal in California.
When it was put back on the ballot in November of 2008, once again the majority of California citizens voted that marriage is only between a man and a woman, and gay marriage was done away with (although domestic partnerships are still in place).
Talk about imposing your will, even though it has now been voted on TWICE by CA voters that marriage is only between a man and a woman, there are still those who are trying to push gay marriage on to the citizens, seeking to put it back on the ballot, or even better for them, just circumvent the ballot again altogether.
In addition to this, there are several things which gay marriage activists, mainstream media, and most politicians will not tell you about homosexuality and gay marriage. For starters, “gay marriage”, or what some would call a “monogomous relationship”, is seldom monogomous in any sense of the word, for the majority of those in the gay community (I know, several acquaintences and friends of mine are). They claim they are committed to eachother only, but there are usually (not always, but in most cases), several other people coming in and out of the relationship, sharing sexual experiences with the couple. What this leads to is an extremely high concentration of those infected with STD’s and HIV/AIDS within the gay community. In fact, something like 85 – 90 % of all HIV and AIDS cases within the U.S.A. are from within the gay community. Of course, though, these are things you will not hear from the majority of gay activists and mainstream media.
At the risk of being labeled a politically incorrect, Bible-thumping neanderthal, I confidently say that according to the word of God, homosexuality is a perverse, unnatural, sexual sin.
But at the same time, that doesn’t make it any worse than any sin that you or I have commited. If you’ve broken just 1 out of the 613 commandments of God, you’ve broken them all.
Just saying that homosexuality is a sin has caused some people to label me as a biggot. But what most people don’t realize is I hate the sin, NOT the sinner. The people who have engaged in same-sex activity are still people I love, and would welcome as my brothers and sisters. But at the same time, I would encourage them to leave behind the lifestyle of sin they are living in. Encouraging in the same manner Jesus encouraged the woman caught in adultery. “I do not condemn you. Go and sin no more.” Hate the sin, but love the sinner. John 3:16 – God so loved the WORLD….and that includes homosexuals too. God loves these people, but He hates their sin. God cannot and will not accept homosexuality, but if you turn to Him through His Son Jesus Christ, and recognize that the blood Christ shed on the cross was for you – to wash you clean from your sins; repent, and then God will forgive you, and call you to himself as a child whom He loves.
Undoubtedly, someone will eventually make the statement on this blog that gays cannot help it, they are born that way. Well, if anyone wants to make that argument with me, I have 2 simple questions for you – #1 Is a supposed “predisposition” the same as a destiny written in stone in your mind? #2 – If a person is born gay, then how do you explain the large number of FORMER homosexuals? I also know several people who were involved in homosexual activity and were a part of the gay community, but later recognized that it is unnatural and wrong, and are now no longer in that lifestyle. But if it’s something they are born with, and not a choice, then how do you account for that?
Oscar, the plethera of topics on this blogsite gives no shortage of opportunities for anyone to express their views. Thank you for that.
And may God bless you all!
February 6th, 2010 at 11:30 am
this generation of politicians, must of them are “PRO” to gay, lesbians(rights)(marriage) etc…..
February 6th, 2010 at 10:41 am
I know, Nestor.
Even our mayor is one…
Gosh, I don’t know what to think at times.
February 6th, 2010 at 10:20 am
well rishi and oscar…of course i dont want to be impose by gays but the truth is that gays are imposing in us even in a way that you might have no idea!!!! some of the USA politicians are gay…. so they are ruling us….
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:15 am
Lol! Yeah Rishi, as long as they don’t impose their will on us, it is all groovy! I do remember reading and commenting on one of your blogs and noticed we shared that in common.
January 31st, 2010 at 2:09 pm
You approach this topic from the same light I do in the sense that humanity would not survive if homosexuals ruled the world (lack of reproduction). And, also as you said, I don’t mind them as long as they don’t impose their will on me.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I agree with you, Sum. The Bible explicitly says God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve or Eve and Evette. It has always been a controversial topic, with no clear end.
January 18th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
why is the sight not excepting my comments is it your sight or my computer?
January 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I believe in what the bible tells me about a man and a women being a normal way to start a family. God began the world with Adam and eve not Adam and Steve. It dose mention that God burned down a whole citey because they were sleeping with the same sex and that is not seen as normal but an abomination to God.